[quote=Manssell]

So, small player corporations should absolutely be able to exist and thrive, nobody wants to get rid of them. However, these small corporations can never be completely safe from aggression (but they shouldn't necessarily be a more viable target than larger corps). That's the goal we want to achieve.

Wardecs need conditons or targets so there can be things to fight over.

I am not sure how this is different than what happens now? Small corps already accept the risk of being decced and live through decs everyday, without help.

Now. With Inferno you can get help and griefers have to anticipate that. It is actually going to be more expensive to dec you. And I frankly think you underestimate the number of antipirate griefer haters with a space police complex who will be quite willing to lend you a hand, myself included.

Argus

Nothing is stopping that miner corp from defending themselves. If anything, the new system would give them more tools to do just that. What the miner corp needs to do is stop thinking they're victims and instead find ways to fight back.

I'll preface this by saying, I am a combat pilot, not a carebear. However I have to say this.

In this game no one needs incentive to go to war.. High sec is full of them. In low sec they don't even declare war..they just shoot. Maybe focusing on low sec incentive to declare war instead of allowing it to be treated like its null sec. Just a side thought.

What they need is a better mechanic. You guys are doing well to address it. However, you can't make it griefer paradise. Ppl need to be responsible for their actions. If they declare war, the defender must have a mechanism to eventually get out of the war.. Ie never ending is silly.

First the war needs to be able to be turned back on the aggressor and the defender if successful needs to have the option to put the aggressor into an unwanted war for a period of time... Free counter dec perhaps. Second, wars must have an end and not be never ending at the behest of the aggressor. Third, corps or alliances should not be able to be ransomed over and over when the aggressor sees they can re- dec every 7 days demanding a new isk value to end the war.

The current proposed system is no doubt due to a heavy pirate contingent on the csm board. Less industrialism in eve means higher prices and more plex purchasing. Seems the real reason for ccp stating this is the 'line in the sand' they are drawing.

PVP game or not, the game is billed as a game where you can be a combat pilot, pirate, merc, trader or industrialist. This proposed system singlehandedly wipes out industrialism in eve as it leaves them hostage to the pvpr, esp if they are a small corp or alliance and cannot afford mercs. Even if they can afford mercs they have to stay docked, not playing the game.

Small corps will not survive. Ppl on the csm will.... *cough*goons...griefers

Q: How long will wars last
A: As long as the aggressor pays every week and no one surrenders (or no surrender offer is accepted), then a war can last forever.

Or, you can have a corp, an then you will be wardecced by 1 years, et cetera.

CCP officially calls that "not optimal".

Because it's been in the game since you started. It's called Eve-Online not Kemal Ataturk online.

Good news though, NPC corps still can't be war dec'd, you're safe. Well, you can just stay in a NPC corporation. This means you wil not play the game neither, but nobody will wardec you.

Because it's been in the game since you started.

"Guys, I've been playing Eve-Online for 8 years, but, well, I hate spaceships. Can we get rid of them please and have virtual beaches where I sip cola and give donkey rides. I was told this was a sandbox game yet for some reason I'm not able to do what I wanted. This is what *I* want to do and I find it very unfair that DEVs aren't allowing me to do this. I would like to state my protest to this descpicable state of affairs in the strongest terms possible."

"Dear DICE, I recently purchased the excellent title 'Battlefield 3'. After installing the game I was horrified to discover the sheer violence and brutality of the other players in the game. While my team mates are generally friendly, I found that the other team are demonstrating clear social behaviour problems. Every round they would repeatedly display acts of aggression and clear violence shooting at me and killing me. I've just been released from hospital after having a breakdown because of this shocking behaviour that I found entirely unexpected. I've attached a bill for my medical expenses and an additional levy to cover the emotional trauma incurred through playing your game."

"There is currently no war-dec mechanism in Eve-Online" - Kemal Ataturk 2012

I'm a little confused. I mean sure I am not a fan of all of the changes and want the price system scaled differently, but some of the posters to this section.. well, you do know that there is already a wardec system in place right?

The people 'raging' against the very existence of wardecs, I mean that is a different debate all together is it not? Most of you I assume are from small industry corps. Are you currently being permadecced? Because you can be now - already - the mechanic already exists for wealthy pvp griefers to just come and keep you decced literally FOREVER. This mechanic exists right now, it's there.

The new system actually does two things: 1) makes it more expensive to dec you and 2) let's you get help.

Is this not an improvement? Seriously, I don't think people are going around deccing people just for the laughs of ruining some poor innocent high sec dude's day as much as you think. Or am I just empire-naive?

Argus

And nothing of value was lost.

If you really cant understand why CCP promotes PVP in a game which has been described as 'a pvp based sandbox' and ' a cold harsh universe where no-one is safe' for the last nine years then youre either a blithering idiot or terminally oblivious. I lean towards the first of those options due to your braindead idea that anywhere in eve is completely safe and your tinfoil bullshit 'whaa all the devs are ebil greefers' whining.

Honestly if you want to complain about the new system do it in a way which doesnt make me think youre a screaming ****** whos had his mouth wired to his *******